Comments for thefamily http://thefamily.today.com Not just another Today.com weblog Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:31:15 +0000 http://www.today.com/version-2.3.1 Comment on Advocating Prop 8 without the Moral Reasons or Religion by Dana chilton http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/13/advocating-prop-8-without-the-moral-reasons-or-religion/#comment-257 Dana chilton Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:39:09 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/13/advocating-prop-8-without-the-moral-reasons-or-religion/#comment-257 Your title is misleading. I was expecting to read some kind of rational non-religious or"non-moral" reason for removing the rights of gays and lesbians to marry. Instead I find an article from the Family Research Council which has never described itself as being 'non religious or non-moral". In fact, the article is replete with "scare quotes", references to tradition, the idea of a pro creative purpose of marriage, and defined gender roles, all of which are based in religious thought, not science. When Prop 8 was being debated, the yes on 8 campaign repeatedly stressed that they were not in favor of repealing domestic partnerships which entitle "Committed" (scare quotes used in article) gays and lesbians to virtually all the same rights and responsibilities as marriage. Gays and Lesbians can, and do, adopt children, Prop 8 did not change that. This article has nothing to do with same-sex marriage. Why should the children of gay and lesbian couples, who are legally adopted, be denied married parents? These children are, in reality, hurt by prop 8 but these supposedly unbiased nonreligious reasons you listed put ideology above reality. Opposite sex couples use invitro- Prop 8 did not change that. Single parents exist- Prop 8 did not change that. Gener Roles in marriage were not defined by Prop 8. Look, U can have your opinions, but, this article is completely dishonest. If you think these are unbiased, non-religious reasons for prop 8, you're fooling yourself. I think Mrs. Lori Conger who has chosen to "stand up" for God against Satan's tool loves your article...she sounds really non-religious.. btw, do you think all the advocating of the LDS faith on this site doesn't imply that you're bais? The LDS church just admitted to not fully disclosing it's financial backing of Prop 8- Maybe I shouldn't be surprised by your dishonesty Your title is misleading. I was expecting to read some kind of rational non-religious or”non-moral” reason for removing the rights of gays and lesbians to marry. Instead I find an article from the Family Research Council which has never described itself as being ‘non religious or non-moral”. In fact, the article is replete with “scare quotes”, references to tradition, the idea of a pro creative purpose of marriage, and defined gender roles, all of which are based in religious thought, not science. When Prop 8 was being debated, the yes on 8 campaign repeatedly stressed that they were not in favor of repealing domestic partnerships which entitle “Committed” (scare quotes used in article) gays and lesbians to virtually all the same rights and responsibilities as marriage. Gays and Lesbians can, and do, adopt children, Prop 8 did not change that. This article has nothing to do with same-sex marriage. Why should the children of gay and lesbian couples, who are legally adopted, be denied married parents? These children are, in reality, hurt by prop 8 but these supposedly unbiased nonreligious reasons you listed put ideology above reality. Opposite sex couples use invitro- Prop 8 did not change that. Single parents exist- Prop 8 did not change that. Gener Roles in marriage were not defined by Prop 8. Look, U can have your opinions, but, this article is completely dishonest. If you think these are unbiased, non-religious reasons for prop 8, you’re fooling yourself. I think Mrs. Lori Conger who has chosen to “stand up” for God against Satan’s tool loves your article…she sounds really non-religious.. btw, do you think all the advocating of the LDS faith on this site doesn’t imply that you’re bais? The LDS church just admitted to not fully disclosing it’s financial backing of Prop 8- Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised by your dishonesty

]]> Comment on Since No One Is Reading Anyway . . . by stormystar http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-181 stormystar Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:52:27 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-181 I do have to agree with you about taking care of our part of the world first. Right now we are facing a great economic crisis, and we shouldn't be handing out money hand over foot to other countries. There are other solutions than giving money. I do have to agree with you about taking care of our part of the world first. Right now we are facing a great economic crisis, and we shouldn’t be handing out money hand over foot to other countries. There are other solutions than giving money.

]]> Comment on Since No One Is Reading Anyway . . . by oldwestmom http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-171 oldwestmom Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:57:40 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-171 Ha! Now I know the secret to getting people to view a blog! Use Obama and abortion in the same sentence, and you're sure to attract some attention from both sides! ;-) I may have to try it to see if it drives my traffic up! I'm not going to weigh in on the whole abortion thing. It's a no win argument. Frankly, I'd like my friends and neighbors who've lost their jobs, homes, possessions, and shirts to have some hope for the future. Right now I'm more interested in what's coming down the tubes to help them...and to ensure my family doesn't end up in the same boat. I don't mean to belittle the abortion issue, but people have got to eat. I did want to make one tiny point. We are fairly sheltered here in America. Women in other countries are brutalized horribly, including rape. It often goes unpunished and unnoticed by those governments, and in some cases is even condoned. In those situations, I would agree that if the USA is going to be protector of the free world, then we do have some responsibility to those women who are being terribly abused. Alright, so I am KINDA weighing in here. But I would say this is not a black and white issue. I will agree with you on one thing...can we take care of our own issues before we go saving the rest of the world? http://foreverfamily.today.com Ha! Now I know the secret to getting people to view a blog! Use Obama and abortion in the same sentence, and you’re sure to attract some attention from both sides! ;-) I may have to try it to see if it drives my traffic up!

I’m not going to weigh in on the whole abortion thing. It’s a no win argument. Frankly, I’d like my friends and neighbors who’ve lost their jobs, homes, possessions, and shirts to have some hope for the future. Right now I’m more interested in what’s coming down the tubes to help them…and to ensure my family doesn’t end up in the same boat. I don’t mean to belittle the abortion issue, but people have got to eat.

I did want to make one tiny point. We are fairly sheltered here in America. Women in other countries are brutalized horribly, including rape. It often goes unpunished and unnoticed by those governments, and in some cases is even condoned. In those situations, I would agree that if the USA is going to be protector of the free world, then we do have some responsibility to those women who are being terribly abused.

Alright, so I am KINDA weighing in here. But I would say this is not a black and white issue. I will agree with you on one thing…can we take care of our own issues before we go saving the rest of the world?

http://foreverfamily.today.com

]]> Comment on Since No One Is Reading Anyway . . . by ncmom http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-170 ncmom Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:51:58 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-170 I could not have said it better myself! I could not have said it better myself!

]]> Comment on Since No One Is Reading Anyway . . . by ksbimagine http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-167 ksbimagine Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:36:50 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-167 Stormystar and Ckcramer, Thanks for coming by the blog. Two people I don't know reading and commenting on the same day is quite a surprise. Stormystar, I would never make a choice for anyone. It isn't my place to make those choices for others. However, if someone wants to have an abortion in Mexico, I don't want to pay for it. Also, I'm well aware that sometimes, no matter what precautions you take, you can get pregnant. It also happened to me and I of course carried through with it and now have a terrific 8 month old. So don't worry about me thinking I'll take away other people's choices. However, I do believe abortion is morally wrong and will fight it anyway I can. I believe we have to fight for our morals, otherwise the entire country will suffer. Stormystar and Ckcramer, Thanks for coming by the blog. Two people I don’t know reading and commenting on the same day is quite a surprise.

Stormystar, I would never make a choice for anyone. It isn’t my place to make those choices for others. However, if someone wants to have an abortion in Mexico, I don’t want to pay for it. Also, I’m well aware that sometimes, no matter what precautions you take, you can get pregnant. It also happened to me and I of course carried through with it and now have a terrific 8 month old. So don’t worry about me thinking I’ll take away other people’s choices. However, I do believe abortion is morally wrong and will fight it anyway I can. I believe we have to fight for our morals, otherwise the entire country will suffer.

]]> Comment on Since No One Is Reading Anyway . . . by stormystar http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-164 stormystar Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:23:14 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-164 Since this is "just speaking your mind", I would like to make a small point here. Sometimes no matter what precautions you and your partner take, you still get pregnant. I know, happened to me twice. Yes, I did carry through, and I have two kids, now grown, but I still had a choice that I could make, It was my decision, mine and my partners, not yours not somebody down the street, or in the church, it was a choice between me and God and that is all there is to it. Don't go thinking that you should take that choice away from anyone, unless you are going to raise their kids also, and not just the ones you choose to adopt, but every child that is in the foster homes, the orphanages, and any other place that the kids end up that are not wanted, but not aborted. Remember one important thing. You made your choice, You don't have the right to force your choice on any one else. Since this is “just speaking your mind”, I would like to make a small point here. Sometimes no matter what precautions you and your partner take, you still get pregnant. I know, happened to me twice. Yes, I did carry through, and I have two kids, now grown, but I still had a choice that I could make, It was my decision, mine and my partners, not yours not somebody down the street, or in the church, it was a choice between me and God and that is all there is to it. Don’t go thinking that you should take that choice away from anyone, unless you are going to raise their kids also, and not just the ones you choose to adopt, but every child that is in the foster homes, the orphanages, and any other place that the kids end up that are not wanted, but not aborted.
Remember one important thing. You made your choice, You don’t have the right to force your choice on any one else.

]]> Comment on Since No One Is Reading Anyway . . . by ckcramer http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-162 ckcramer Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:42:06 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2009/01/26/since-no-one-is-reading-anyway/#comment-162 You make some interesting points about the money thing. I also posted something on FOCA today, please check it out, www.raisegoodkids.today.com I've checked some other stuff out on your site, it's nice, I like it. You make some interesting points about the money thing. I also posted something on FOCA today, please check it out, www.raisegoodkids.today.com

I’ve checked some other stuff out on your site, it’s nice, I like it.

]]> Comment on Advocating Prop 8 without the Moral Reasons or Religion by Lori Conger http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/13/advocating-prop-8-without-the-moral-reasons-or-religion/#comment-63 Lori Conger Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:23:45 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/13/advocating-prop-8-without-the-moral-reasons-or-religion/#comment-63 As this Prop 8 issue has become so publicized and controversial, I have come to the realization that we are truly living in a time when we have to stand up and let our voices be heard. Even more importantly, before we shout our opinions to the world, we have to humble ourselves enough to look at the issues with an eternal perspective and ask what God would want because He is unchanging and so are his values. I think this issue is one where people have become confused (one of Satan's tools) about what is really right in the site of God. We who believe in the Proclamation on the Family and the traditional family, which consists of a father and a mother are being criticized for not being tolerant to the point where some of us wonder if we need to change our core values to appear more tolerant. God has never tolerated sin, and never will. We have to love everyone, regardless of their choices, but that doesn't mean we condone them, and speaking out against immoral issues does not make us intolerant, so thank you for being so courageous in sharing your views. As this Prop 8 issue has become so publicized and controversial, I have come to the realization that we are truly living in a time when we have to stand up and let our voices be heard. Even more importantly, before we shout our opinions to the world, we have to humble ourselves enough to look at the issues with an eternal perspective and ask what God would want because He is unchanging and so are his values. I think this issue is one where people have become confused (one of Satan’s tools) about what is really right in the site of God. We who believe in the Proclamation on the Family and the traditional family, which consists of a father and a mother are being criticized for not being tolerant to the point where some of us wonder if we need to change our core values to appear more tolerant. God has never tolerated sin, and never will. We have to love everyone, regardless of their choices, but that doesn’t mean we condone them, and speaking out against immoral issues does not make us intolerant, so thank you for being so courageous in sharing your views.

]]> Comment on Prop 8 by gordion http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/12/prop-8/#comment-61 gordion Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:07:39 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/12/prop-8/#comment-61 I agree with you to the extent that those who actively affiliate with the anti-Mormon rallies (in front of Mormon temples, for example) would not be able to deny involvement with a group opposed to the church. Of course, people who simply disagree with, but are not actively attacking, the church's position would probably not fit that same profile. As an aside, from a completely non-religious point of view, there is absolutely nothing in the evolutionary record indicating any primate (human or otherwise) has been able to propagate offspring by means of a homosexual relationship. This indicates such behavior is unnatural. And now, following eons of history, we silly humans are trying to declare the converse is true -- that such relations are natural and should be accepted? It makes no sense. I agree with you to the extent that those who actively affiliate with the anti-Mormon rallies (in front of Mormon temples, for example) would not be able to deny involvement with a group opposed to the church. Of course, people who simply disagree with, but are not actively attacking, the church’s position would probably not fit that same profile.

As an aside, from a completely non-religious point of view, there is absolutely nothing in the evolutionary record indicating any primate (human or otherwise) has been able to propagate offspring by means of a homosexual relationship. This indicates such behavior is unnatural. And now, following eons of history, we silly humans are trying to declare the converse is true — that such relations are natural and should be accepted? It makes no sense.

]]> Comment on Prop 8 by ksbimagine http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/12/prop-8/#comment-59 ksbimagine Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:43:38 +0000 http://thefamily.today.com/2008/11/12/prop-8/#comment-59 I appreciate the excerpt from the article. I'm not surprised by anything in it. Of course the Church understands that not everyone in the Church is going to feel the same way due to their own situations and circumstances. This particular issue is closer to home for me than some may imagine. My experiences and circumstances have led me to be sympathetic to those with same gender attraction. I have friends and family who have chosen an alternate lifestyle. I love them very much and it pains me to know that they are disappointed. However, I personally feel that supporting the legalization of gay marriage will not be for the betterment of our society. It is difficult to say that because I believe very much in equality and civil rights, however, I understand what would come about by allowing the legalization of gay marriage. I don't presume to know all the implications, but I understand that the Lord does. I appreciate the excerpt from the article. I’m not surprised by anything in it. Of course the Church understands that not everyone in the Church is going to feel the same way due to their own situations and circumstances. This particular issue is closer to home for me than some may imagine. My experiences and circumstances have led me to be sympathetic to those with same gender attraction. I have friends and family who have chosen an alternate lifestyle. I love them very much and it pains me to know that they are disappointed. However, I personally feel that supporting the legalization of gay marriage will not be for the betterment of our society. It is difficult to say that because I believe very much in equality and civil rights, however, I understand what would come about by allowing the legalization of gay marriage. I don’t presume to know all the implications, but I understand that the Lord does.

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